Learning from Islam?

Hiya

SB- Parts of Karachi and Lahore are
very dangerous, the Police have allowed the Gangs to take control.

Shine- Wearing the headscarf has nothing to do with Gangs, I went to Islamabad
hardly any women wear the headscarf even in Lahore
some women dont.

What I meant by unwanted attention is that Hijab represents Modesty and
covering your body and hair can avoid getting unwanted attention from Men. Put
it like this Shine, If a man walked past a women fully covered with only her
face, and hands showing and at the same time a women bearing her legs, arms,
hair and other parts of her body walked past, which is likely to catch his eye.


Now in Islam Men and Women are told to be modest and humble, and men and
women are told to lower their gaze when dealing with the opposite sex. But we
all know that these rules are broken so Women and Men should take responsibility
for their bodies and not use them as tools to attract people.

My Sister wears the Hijab meaning the headscarf and she wore this of her own choice,
she use to get so much male attention before now hardly any, the Hijab does
represent a pious women.

Like how the Nuns dress modestly and show their purity.

I dont get any unwanted attention Nora so no need for me to wear a hijab


Seriously though, its good to see your expanation of things, helps to understand more

Nora wrote:

Hiya

SB- Parts of Karachi and Lahore are
very dangerous, the Police have allowed the Gangs to take control.

Shine- Wearing the headscarf has nothing to do with Gangs, I went to Islamabad
hardly any women wear the headscarf even in Lahore
some women dont.

What I meant by unwanted attention is that Hijab represents Modesty and
covering your body and hair can avoid getting unwanted attention from Men. Put
it like this Shine, If a man walked past a women fully covered with only her
face, and hands showing and at the same time a women bearing her legs, arms,
hair and other parts of her body walked past, which is likely to catch his eye.


Now in Islam Men and Women are told to be modest and humble, and men and
women are told to lower their gaze when dealing with the opposite sex. But we
all know that these rules are broken so Women and Men should take responsibility
for their bodies and not use them as tools to attract people.

My Sister wears the Hijab meaning the headscarf and she wore this of her own choice,
she use to get so much male attention before now hardly any, the Hijab does
represent a pious women.

Like how the Nuns dress modestly and show their purity.

But that doesn't explain the niqab, Nora.

Lol Magical

Shine the Niqab was actually a tradition, and in the old Hindu Scriptures, as
time has gone on more and more women implement this. Ive seen different view
points on this. But some women say that the beauty is in the face and so they
are covering their beauty, others follow tradition.

Scholars differ on the opinion of the Niqab, but the main point is that there
is no authentic hadith nor quote from the Quran to say cover your face.

The quote from the Quran is as follows......

"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their
private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it,
and to extend their head coverings to cover their bosoms, and not to display
their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's
fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their
brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right
hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual
desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not
apparent..." (Surah An Nur: 31)

Most scholars agree that the above quote means to cover all except Face and
Hands. The Niqab is something a person can choose to wear, and many more women
wear this now then ever before.

Nora wrote:

Lol Magical

Shine the Niqab was actually a tradition, and in the old Hindu Scriptures, as
time has gone on more and more women implement this. Ive seen different view
points on this. But some women say that the beauty is in the face and so they
are covering their beauty, others follow tradition.

Scholars differ on the opinion of the Niqab, but the main point is that there
is no authentic hadith nor quote from the Quran to say cover your face.

The quote from the Quran is as follows......

"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their
private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it,
and to extend their head coverings to cover their bosoms, and not to display
their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's
fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their
brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right
hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual
desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not
apparent..." (Surah An Nur: 31)

Most scholars agree that the above quote means to cover all except Face and
Hands. The Niqab is something a person can choose to wear, and many more women
wear this now then ever before.

And I would say that a society that cannot demonstrate self constraint in the face of beauty needs to be addressed, for as Keats said, 'Truth is beauty, and beauty is truth,' and truth should never be hidden, but shown for what sublimity it is.

Suppose that is down to a women whether she wants to or not,
some women dont have this choice, as society and others decide for her, but I
think a lot of people would be shocked with the number of women that wear the
veil of their own choice.

Did I tell you that I wore the Niqab for 6 weeks, my Friend has started to wear
it and she asked all my mates to try it and see what we thought. I never wore
it full time but wore it on the street and to be honest it was a odd feeling.

Pros were I could walk around and no one recognise me and thats a nice feeling,
also it was odd but no one seem to notice you and I felt as those people will
stare but they didnt, also there was this sort of power you gain, like you can
see everyone but they cant see you.

Cons- I felt hot all the time, and felt uncomfortable personally.

But how can a face that God has given us be hidden from the world because of the weakness of others? Surely the face was given to be shared, and beauty kept in keep, no matter what form it assumes will wither and become warped? If society is so bad that a woman cannot feel the breath of summer upon her cheeks due to unwanted attention, then there is something rotten at the core of that society, and needs must be rooted out and cast aside in favour of freedom. It seems to me that the veil, rather than being an expression of freedom, is on the contrary, an escape from freedom and a statement of exile from society.

Shine,

Again the veil has not been mentioned in the Quran nor any Hadiths, the Quran only tells a women to cover all except the Face and Hands.

The veil has more of a culture attachment to it. plus some women want to wear it. My Friend has wore the veil for almost 2 years, she is studying and working part time.

She does not wear the veil at work, but everywhere else she does unless in the company of female friends or family.

This is by choice, she likes wearing the veil.

She actually for the veil after a Islamic Singer released a Song called FREE

I will post a video and lyrics to the song.

What goes through your mind?

As you sit there looking at me

Well I can tell from your looks

That you think I’m so oppressed

But I don’t need for you to liberate me


My head is not bare

And you can’t see my covered hair

So you sit there and you stare

And you judge me with your glare

You’re sure I’m in despair

But are you not aware

Under this scarf that I wear

I have feelings, and I do care


CHORUS:

So don’t you see?

That I’m truly free

This piece of scarf on me

I wear so proudly

To preserve my dignity...


My modesty

My integrity

So don’t judge me

Open your eyes and see...

“Why can’t you just accept me?” she says

“Why can’t I just be me?” she says

Time and time again

You speak of democracy

Yet you rob me of my liberty

And all I want is equality

Why can’t you just let me be free?


For you I sing this song

My sister, may you always be strong

From you I’ve learnt so much

How you suffer so much

Yet you forgive those who laugh at you

You walk with no fear

Through the insults you hear

Your wish so sincere

That they’d understand you

But before you walk away

This time you turn and say:


But don’t you see?

That I’m truly free

This piece of scarf on me

I wear so proudly

To preserve my dignity

My modesty

My integrity

So let me be

She says with a smile

I’m the one who’s free

Here is a video which shows women who are not opressed wearing the Hijab and Veil

What goes through your mind?

As you sit there looking at me

Well I can tell from your looks

That you think I’m so oppressed

But I don’t need for you to liberate me


I wouldn't want to liberate anyone against their wishes, Nora, but still state that the decision to wear the veil avoids the deeper issues of society, rather than fighting them. The veil is a submissive act to male attention, as you've said.

No I never said that was the only reason, yes part of the
reason for Hijab is to avoid unwanted attention, but a lot more is to benefit
like on my first post.

My friends decided to wear the Veil as she felt that it helped her build her
character she cares not about what she looks like, she is a very nice person.
She too did not like the attention she got from men, this isnt a BIG problem
and not the main reason she decided to wear the veil.

I really cant comment on the veil as its not compulsory in Islam and I dont
wear it.

But Hijab (To Cover) is something I do follow although not entirely.

To hide away from society, Nora, is to submit to that society. And by submitting to the ills of that society is tantamount to not wanting to change that society.

Shine they are hiding their faces, that does not mean they cannot give to Society and make changes.

Nora wrote:

Shine they are hiding their faces, that does not mean they cannot give to Society and make changes.

As I see it, the only thing they are giving away is their submission to harassment from men, Nora, and why don't the men dictate change so that a woman can bless her cheeks with the wind of summer?

Nora wrote:

Shine they are hiding their faces, that does not mean they cannot give to Society and make changes.

They hid their faces from a society of oppression on account of loose morals, Nora. If men cannot be trusted, then surely the society that breeds those men and allows them to rule is unjust and prejudiced, and being so clinging on to ancient times of duress, war, and uncertainty in life. And herein, Nora, lies my problem with not understanding why a woman cannot feel the heat and wind of summer on her face: the society from which her belief originates is in the 21st century is it not?